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the president was elected by all of the people in the country. we have 535 members of congress who were elected from all over the country. >> i think a lot of folks think he is now governing in -- or at least putting proposals out there like 100% of the vote -- >> let's remember how this started. congress created this so-called cliff. they decided there would be a date certain where everything would unravel. it wasn't the president that did it, and now he has laid something on the table. it's time for congress to act. to say that their feelings are hurt, you know, put on the big boy pants for girls and boys and let's get this job done. >> you know, there's been a lot of talk around this town about the movie "lincoln." in that movie lincoln in the service of a big idea expended enormous political personal capital and negotiated a deal. what we have here is a president in the service of a small idea, taxing the wealthy, who has put forward no personal political capital to actually get a deal done with these guys. you have senator warner on earlier
the president was elected by all of the people in the country. we have 535 members of congress who were elected from all over the country. >> i think a lot of folks think he is now governing in -- or at least putting proposals out there like 100% of the vote -- >> let's remember how this started. congress created this so-called cliff. they decided there would be a date certain where everything would unravel. it wasn't the president that did it, and now he has laid something on the...
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they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have governors. a lot of diversity. duval patrick and we can all look as governor cuomo, you have elizabeth warren that might be considered presidential. so i don't want to throw all our eggs in one basket because there are so many wonderful people. martin o'malley, for example, the governor of colorado. like the republicans, this will be a large field of candidates, but there's fo question if secretary of state hillary clinton decided to throw her gloves into the race, game on. >> she got a lot of competition. >> david frum, you think the republican party's
they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have...
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so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly, carol. one thing that has been interesting with regard to john boehner's leadership of the republican conference, which certainly is very conservative and he has had to balance that with negotiations with the white house on a number of occasions, one thing that's interesting is that until now he really has been able to maintain their loyalty. and their confidence that whatever he does, he he's doing for a reason because the alternative would be worse. and one thing that he did in a very deliberate way on this particular counter offer, which they sent to the white house earlier this week, was it wasn't just a letter from boehner to the president. it was a letter from the entire republican leadership, including p
so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me now. dana, can we expect fire woworkt the meeting this morning? >> reporter: possibly, carol. one thing that has been interesting with regard to john boehner's leadership of the republican conference, which certainly is very...
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he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington post" abc news poll who favor raising taxes on folks earning more than $250,000 a year. but there are a couple other things to keep in mind, as well. president obama often talks about returning to clinton era tax rates. he wants to raise much more revenue from high earners than the clinton era tax code would have raised. and president clinton also dramatically lowered capital gains taxes, and that generally benefited high-earners. so a lot of folks believe that's something that balanced out against the increases on ordinary income. so, you know, that's something that
he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington...
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it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and the youth and this sort of idealism might perhaps come from a rubio or ryan on the republican side? >> well, if i look at that poll you were referring to, hillary clinton is the overwhelming favorite among young people, especially young women. young people and young women, clearly they're going to help determine future elections. look, i think paul ryan and marco rubio, are trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and, perhaps, big ideas and a larger goalpost. i want to also say this because i have to say this as
it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and...
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they don't have an election until november of 2014. you want to negotiate seriously we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, we'll survive going off this cliff. no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to have a bigger cliff. >> gingrich went on to say he doesn't sense any mutual respect right now between the president and house speaker john boehner and that troubles him. >>> a lawyer says john mcafee will request asylum in guatemala. he emerged from weeks of hiding yesterday. he disappeared from his home in belize after his neighbor was murdered. police in belize say mcafee is no the a suspect and they just want to talk to him. mcafee said he feared persecution by police so he left belize. >> i like guatemala. i think the legal system in guatemala is superior to the legal system in belize. >> one official in belize said if mcafee is innocent, he should just talk to them and then he can move on. >>> dash cam individual o
they don't have an election until november of 2014. you want to negotiate seriously we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, we'll survive going off this cliff. no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to have a bigger cliff. >> gingrich went on to say he doesn't sense any mutual respect right now between the president and house speaker john boehner and that troubles him....
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on friday, we'll get our first post election look at how many jobs are being created. and the early forecasts are not good. cnn money forecasts just 77,000 net jobs created in november. that's far fewer than the 171,000 that were added in october. a lot happened last month. superstorm sandy, labor turmoil at hostess and business uncertainty because our elected officials won't get their act together and deal with the fiscal cliff. brace yourself for a job number that could be even lower than the already weak forecast. i hope i am wrong about that. from the cnn money newsroom in new york, i'm ali velshi. that's it from me. same time tomorrow. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i was saving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera shy. snapshot from progressive. test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+
on friday, we'll get our first post election look at how many jobs are being created. and the early forecasts are not good. cnn money forecasts just 77,000 net jobs created in november. that's far fewer than the 171,000 that were added in october. a lot happened last month. superstorm sandy, labor turmoil at hostess and business uncertainty because our elected officials won't get their act together and deal with the fiscal cliff. brace yourself for a job number that could be even lower than the...
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he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would stipulate this, wolf. the president has the leverage here, i mean, republicans also know that if they were to go over the cliff that the tax cuts on the wealthy would increase. you could come back and undue the tax cuts on the middle class expiring. but the president's in a pretty good bargaining position here, which is why you see him sort of hold firm. >> what leverage do the republicans have? >> well, look, i think it -- they understand that for some liberals going over the cliff is okay, because liberals say, you know w
he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would...
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and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level, we need to rethink our position on this? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of those that do, it was not put in by the will of the people. i'm a marylander. we did -- our state did vote for gay marriage. most of them had to do with judges ruling. if the supreme court does for gay marriage what it did for abortion and roe v. wade and said, no, this is not in the hands of the people. we're going to say there's gay marriage, that would do a lot to fire up the republican base and could turn this issue on its head and it could become a big winner for republicans because they'd feel disenfranchised. >> what about the flip side?
and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level, we need to rethink our position on this? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states...
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crist was elected governor as a republican in 2006, then later ran for the senate as an independent. he campaigned for president obama, and spoke at the democratic national convention. he's now officially a democrat and is widely expected to run for governor again in 2014. >>> south africa's beloved nelson mandela is getting tests in a hospital. the country's president says no cause for alarm there. he says the 94-year-old mandela is getting tests consistent with his age. the nobel laureate became his nation's first black president. >>> the fbi wants to talk to a man in custody in egypt. he's a well known islamic extremist. that's why egypt wanted him taken down. but american terrorist watchers think he might be behind the deadly attacks this year at the u.s. consulate in libya. cnn's susan candiotti has more from new york now. >> investigators have had this man on their radar for some time. and now he's being called a possible suspect in the benghazi attacks. mohamed jamaal abu ahmed was arrested by egyptian authorities a couple of weeks ago. and remains in custody while the investi
crist was elected governor as a republican in 2006, then later ran for the senate as an independent. he campaigned for president obama, and spoke at the democratic national convention. he's now officially a democrat and is widely expected to run for governor again in 2014. >>> south africa's beloved nelson mandela is getting tests in a hospital. the country's president says no cause for alarm there. he says the 94-year-old mandela is getting tests consistent with his age. the nobel...
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>> this was ryan's first speech since the election. both he and rubio seemed to be talking about how the republican party needs to be a party that's more inclusive, helping those in the lower associatio economic levels to rise up and prove their standing. both of them, ryan specifically talked about how he was proud of the campaign and that he mitt romney ran this past year. both men seemed to be critical of romney's controversial comments that 47% of the nation is beholding of the government and feels that the government is responsible to take care of them. take a listen to what both men said. >> both parties tend to divide americans into our voters and their voters. let's be really clear. republicans must steer far clear of that trap. we must speak to the aspirations and the anxieties of every american. >> i've heard it suggested that the problem is that the american people have changed. too many people want things from government. but i'm still convinced that the overwhelming majority of our people, they just want what my parents ha
>> this was ryan's first speech since the election. both he and rubio seemed to be talking about how the republican party needs to be a party that's more inclusive, helping those in the lower associatio economic levels to rise up and prove their standing. both of them, ryan specifically talked about how he was proud of the campaign and that he mitt romney ran this past year. both men seemed to be critical of romney's controversial comments that 47% of the nation is beholding of the...
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if our elected leaders don't do something about that looming fiscal cliff. and that is just the beginning. big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. >>> welcome back. 16 minutes past the hour. no one can be sure if the white house and congress will steer the country away from that so called fiscal cliff, which now is just 24 days away. but it's probably a good idea for you and your family to be prepared just in case. earlier, i spoke with stephanie rule of bloomberg tv about what could happen if the deal is not reached. >> people talk about the cliff like it's this major event, which it is. but almost like a y2k. from a paycheck perspective, you will see less money in your paycheck if we do fall off
if our elected leaders don't do something about that looming fiscal cliff. and that is just the beginning. big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn...
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she noted that the 2012 election had just ended. she didn't rule out the possibility of a senate run in the future. let's see if she's interested. >> that's absolutely right. >>> "erin burnett outfront" starts at the top of the hour. erin, we hear you've arranged quite the debate over whether republicans should compromise on taxes. give us a preview. >> we are going to have both sides of that. grover norquist, of course, already our guest. he's going to say, we shouldn't have tax increases in this country no matter what, no matter how, no way. then we'll have republican tom cole on, who broke ranks with the republican party, who says, let's extend the bush tax cuts for people making under $250,000 a year and do the rest of it later. something sort of like what the president had put forth. so both of those sides tonight. and then we'll talk about the movie "zero dark 30," already getting oscar buzz, about the raid and capture of osama bin laden. there was all of this concern about whether there was classified information that was lin
she noted that the 2012 election had just ended. she didn't rule out the possibility of a senate run in the future. let's see if she's interested. >> that's absolutely right. >>> "erin burnett outfront" starts at the top of the hour. erin, we hear you've arranged quite the debate over whether republicans should compromise on taxes. give us a preview. >> we are going to have both sides of that. grover norquist, of course, already our guest. he's going to say, we...
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. >> the lunch took place in november 2008, a week after the election. obama won the white house. but gays and lesbians lost the right to marry in california. >> we're trying to figure out what we do next. then we thought about the idea of a possible legal challenge to proposition 8, and serendipitously, a friend of my wife's came by the table. >> the friend suggested they would find an ally in her former brother-in-law who turned out to be ted olsen, a towering figure in the conservative legal movement. so that stunned you, right? >> yes, it more than stunned me. it stunned me, but i said if this is true, this is the home run of all times. i mean, the idea that ted olsen, this arch conservative, the solicitor general for george bush who had argued bush v. gore and basically put me in bed for a couple days, i was so depressed after bush v. gore, was interested in gay rights. i thought, let's check it out. >> didn't you have any doubts about ted olsen? >> you know, they say that politics makes strange bed fellows. you don't have a stranger bed fellow than me and ted olsen. >> i was
. >> the lunch took place in november 2008, a week after the election. obama won the white house. but gays and lesbians lost the right to marry in california. >> we're trying to figure out what we do next. then we thought about the idea of a possible legal challenge to proposition 8, and serendipitously, a friend of my wife's came by the table. >> the friend suggested they would find an ally in her former brother-in-law who turned out to be ted olsen, a towering figure in the...